Years ago, Showgirls star Gina Gershon admitted that she was aware of how ridiculous the movie was while they were filming it. Then just this summer, Elizabeth Berkley finally made peace with the movie she was widely ridiculed for and whose name she didn’t speak of for years. Now, in a Rolling Stone interview pegged to the camp classic’s 20th anniversary, the Dutch madman who directed it, Paul Verhoeven, has revealed that the movie is precisely as tacky as he wanted it to be.

The stunning turnarounds just won’t quit. Elizabeth Berklev was once known as Saved by the Bell’s Jessie Spano and then as the actor who ran her career into the ground and thrashed around while she was down there via her feral performance in Paul Verhoeven’s notorious NC-17 rated 1995 flop Showgirls. Despite perpetual cackling from those who saw Showgirls for the masterpiece it is (regardless of intent), Berkley has never quite embraced the film in the way that her co-star Gina Gershon ultimately did, for example. Berkley called the response to the movie “cruel,” the experience “humiliating,” and said she quit dancing for a while as a result of it.